Talk:Low German house
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[edit]German | English | description |
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Auflanger | futtock/curved timbers that form "rib-like" architectural features | - |
Aufschiebling | arris fillet or tilting fillet (D) | - |
Dachfirst | ridge (D,L,CC), crest (CC) or roof ridge (L) | - |
Dachtraufe | eaves (D), gutter (L,CC) | - |
Dachsparren | rafter (D,L,CC) | - |
Deckenbalken | ceiling beam (D,L,CC) o. joist (L,D), main beam (D), tie beam (?) | - |
Deele, Diele | hall (D,L,CC), vestibule (CC) | central threshing floor (Di); working space in traditional german houses, later lobby in modern houses. |
Dreschen | threshing (L,CC) | done in the Diele during winter |
Flechtwerk | wattle and daub (L), wattle (C) | |
Flett | central open hearth (Di), open kitchen | space with the hearth, may be related to the cross passage in english hall houses. |
Hille, Hiehle | hayloft, loft | A store room above the livestock stalls in some types of farmhouse, see Dachboden |
Hürden | fold (L), pen (L), hurdling (?), fold yard (?) yes, possibly for sheep? | |
Kopfband | brace | dict.cc gives various terms: brace, racker, strut, tie, knee brace, upper strut, angle brace tie, shoulder tree strap |
Krüppelwalmdach | hipped-gable roof (D) | (not dutch gable) |
Kübbung | side area (L), side bay (?) | side area under the eaves of a Lower Saxon farmhouse (L); side aisles normally for the animals; stables for the cattle (Di) |
Pfosten | post, pillar | vertical wooden beam. Base may be buried in the ground. According to Ching, posts are generally wooden, pillars generally stone or brick. |
Reetdach | roof thatched with reed (L), thatched roof (CC) | literally: reed roof --we would say Thatched roof, I think |
Satteldach | gabled roof (CC), saddleback roof (L), gable roof (D) | dict.cc gives various terms: gabled, pitched, ridged, saddle, saddleback, span and double-pitched roof. Duden also gives: 'saddle roof' and 'saddleback roof'. |
Schwibbogen | flying buttress (L,CC) candle arch (CC) diaphragm arch (de wiki) | upper arched part of a niche (here above the oven); both flying buttress and candle arch appear to be wrong. This is not a supporting, lean to structure but a sort of self-supporting vaulted roof to an oven constructed of bricks. |
Sparrendach | rafter roof (D,CC), couple roof (CC), rafters | - |
Ständer | upright (Di, L), post (CC), pillar (CC) | principal vertical wooden part. Base not buried in the ground ! But post is wooden, and pillar is normally brick or stone |
Ständerbauweise | post(-and-beam) construction | The principal load-carrying posts are inside the structure, not on the outer walls in contrast maybe to box-framing. |
Walmdach | hip or hipped roof (D,L), hip roof (CC) | - |
Wohnstallhaus | byre-dwelling | |
Dreiständerhaus | three-post house | maybe leave the German word and add a simple explanation |
Vierständerhaus | four-post house | maybe leave the German word and add a simple explanation |
Zweiständerhaus | two-post house | maybe leave the German word and add a simple explanation |
Key to sources: D = Duden (cross-referenced between English and German Bildwörterbuch), Di = Dickinson's "Germany", L = Langenscheidt Muret-Sanders dictionary, CC = www.dict.cc
Niedersachsenhaus
[edit]@Bermicourt: Niedersachsen = "Lower Saxony"; "niedersächsisches" would be "Low Saxon" - see entry below
I'm a native speaker of both German and Low Saxon. Niedersachsen in this case does not refer to the territory Niedersachsen, but is the plural of Niedersachse, a person of the Low Saxon people. So technically it's Low Saxons' house, but that kinda sounds odd to me. --::Slomox:: >< 12:34, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for your advice. What you say makes sense - I guess there's no way we English speakers could tell from the spelling whether it means the state or the people. I accept you are right, but does this mean that the last one in the list - Westfalenhaus (Westphalian house) - is also correct because it refers to die Westfalen i.e. the Westphalians and not das Westfalen or Westphalia? --Bermicourt (talk) 13:24, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- I (being a native german from Mecklenburg) would say so. Since german states and historical names often bare similiarities one (even us `Krauts´) can get into trouble deriving those original meanings right. Niedersachsen should refer more to the so-called `Reichskreis´, than any territorial form of a state.--85.183.156.182 (talk) 18:57, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
- My sense is that whether the German word refers to the territory or the people, we would still use the adjective. I can't think of English examples where we use "Fooians' " rather than "Fooish". And the literature uses "Low Saxon House" rather than "Low Saxons' House". Ditto with "Westphalian House" as far as I can tell from google books. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:07, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
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Bermicourt, best bet is to ask for help on this from the architecture project. It may be a German style house (there is also a similar structure in Swaben), but the archies will know what to make of this. Auntieruth55 (talk) 01:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC) |
Last edited at 01:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 22:33, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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